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Joe Burnham's avatar

I guess what I’m struggling with in this back and forth is that the world you apparently see and the one I see are two different worlds.

I see women all over the place who are taking responsibility, far beyond the collaborative reality they desire, and often to their personal mental and emotional detriment, choosing jobs not necessarily because it’s what they want, but it’s because it’s what they need to do to take care of a family (with or without the dad being there). This isn’t so much society shaping as trying to sort out survival in a society they didn’t create.

Now, I don’t think the majority of men created this society either, and we’re also often left trying to navigate our way through as well, with many of the solutions offered being an invitation to a benevolent patriarchy or even pop-patriarchy, which is why I’m pushing for a different way to approach manhood.

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Nissan Pitcher's avatar

I think you hit the problem is and that both men and women actions do not exist in a vacuum. Every action we take or do not take has a reaction, a consequence that affects both sides. Like you said these women are acting out of survival not longevity. Just like how we act out of fear we get more fear. They are simply reacting like most people. We in this conversation have been pro-active. Both men and women are struggling it's only the very top of society that is doing well. We allow those at the top to dictate culture but we don't have to. All our culture's moments have been a reaction to an event.

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